Curse

Dawgboy · Aug 14, 2006, 08:57 AM // 08:57

I really don't notice anyone else's armor or weapons and as long as I have the best weapon for the circumstances I don't care what it looks like.

If you have the skill, time, and money to get FoW armor, congrats. All my chars use 1.5k armor and it suits me fine. I could afford move up to the 15k stuff for at least 1 character, but I don't think the cheaper armor looks THAT much worse.

After about 14 months I have about 75k saved up and that's enough to get anything I need.
The reason I'm not rich is because I have never sold anything. The reason I'm not poor is because I've never bought anything.

I despise selling/buying. I play to kill stuff, not to be the next billionaire. That's just me, though. Nothing against the pro traders.

You can equip yourself quite nicely with just the collector's items, and the monsters drop all kinds of mods you can add to them.
I have had some pretty sweet weapon drops, and if I feel I may use it someday I squirrel it away. If not, I either try to expert salvage the good mod or just sell it to the npc.
I use to give away golds, but out of maybe 6 golds and 10 purples I've had two people thank me. One guy actually complained about the gold hammer I gave him, so that was the end of that.

All the gold bows I saved came in handy when I made a ranger recently. As soon as she was high enough to equip them she had 4 max damage bows, all with good mods suited for any build she needs to run. Crippling, poisonous, and vampiric longbows and a purple half-moon should get you just about anywhere you need to go.

I do farm trolls outside Drok's with my wammo when I'm bored. It's a decent moneymaker for 5 minutes of playing and I get some good mods on crappy weapons that I can salvage.

Dzan · Aug 14, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

To dispel a common myth, there is ABSOLUTELY no benefit to exceeding your requirement...whether you just barely meet the requirement or exceed it by 7 levels - it does EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Maybe on caster items, but not on warrior weapons.

|pyro| · Aug 14, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgboy

You can equip yourself quite nicely with just the collector's items, and the monsters drop all kinds of mods you can add to them.

Yea but if you play game for really long you get a nice sum of money and you WANT to have a nice skinn weapon just coz it looks nice, there is no difference betwen my perfect zodiac longbow 20/20 +30hp and ordianary long bow with same stats. But I want my weapons and armor look pretty, I have made a big mistake creating a male ranger no armor other than FoW looks good for him, so this means I will buy him FoW armor coz it looks so nice and I have to to play.

But yea you can get trough with collector items too.

majoho · Aug 14, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by Dzan

Maybe on caster items, but not on warrior weapons.

I think you are misunderstanding it.

You do more damage with more mastery, that's obvious.

But you do not do more damage with a req 7 weapon than with a req 13 weapon - THAT's the myth.

garethporlest18 · Aug 14, 2006, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Why do I prefer req 8s over 10s (even though I usually use a 10-12 because I"m cheap)...and why do I have FoW, and 15k sets (even though I have 1.5k sets as well, cause i'm cheap). Gives me a sense of security, when GW is my only form of enjoyment in my boring life.

EPO Bot · Aug 14, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Farming is total bs.Just playing the game in a methodical pace will get you your great gear no problem.
I made five rpg characters and i have only one (the original) that has access to every outpost in the game (factions included). I just explore the map, do quests, sell the occasional green very cheap and never use runners.I just never leave town without a quest to do or an outpost to reach.

All five characters have 15k armor and near perfect weapons. And my last character didn't even get off Cantha yet.

capitalist · Aug 16, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

People need to read this.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 16, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

You should ask a mod for a sticky.

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 16, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I've been playing since the day prophecies went live so I guess I'm one of the haves. All four of my characters have 15k armor but I've never really understood why people actually collect weapons. I know several people that feel they must litterally have one of every single green which makes no sense to me. If you see a weapon you want; or even a few you want if you use several builds; I could see buying those but to buy simply for the sake of having one doesn't make sense to me.

my necro uses a collector's blood staff which is perfect for me

my warr has a kanaxai's edge(paid 100k+5ecto) and a gothic defender
-(+30health free on a lucky drop) to go with my 15k kurzick armor set
and a gold fellblade(dropped for me waaay back on my first trip in mineral
-springs back before chests even needed keys

) and a collector carapace
-shield to go with my 15k platemail

my ranger uses ryver's shortbow(got free my first run through arborstone mission) and skin looks great with my 15k Drakescale too

finally my assassin uses the ceremonial daggers(amulet of the mists)
-and also has shiro's blades cause they just look cool and no assassin is complete without a pair

one of my money sinks would have to be that I buy all skills for all classes (unlock for pvp and whatnot

) even though the skills for just the core classes in factions was 180k

Lex Talionis · Aug 16, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Kudos to Cap for making this thread. It explains everything lazy whiners need to know, before they open they're mouths in game or on forums about everything being impossible to obtain without ebaying etc. I consider myself an extremely happy and proud have it all guy. Just cause I have it all, doesn't mean I should give handouts. If you want it, work for it. There are shortcuts you can take.

To the people who make a big issue about fissure armor, let me tell you this: I have a total of 3 full sets of fissure armor that I've never ebayed. It has never taken more than 2 weeks to get all of the materials (thats with casual playing 3 hours a day at most) for each set. To be honest fissure armor is pretty easy to get. Those playing on the euro servers reading this, you know what I'm talking about

People who cry about ebay being the only easy way, have alot to learn about the game. /laugh at newbs ebaying fissure armor while the intelligent ppl get it free

quiarrah · Aug 16, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terra Xin

I only collect greens, golds are too far out of my reach, and... well, if you feel special having a gold that is more rare than... anything in the game, then... good for you^^.

I will probably get berated as a Newbie for asking this. . .(but I AM NEW to GW. . . so there! ppffffttt

)

What are GREEN, GOLD, and whatever other color items out there and what do they do??

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 16, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiarrah

I will probably get berated as a Newbie for asking this. . .(but I AM NEW to GW. . . so there! ppffffttt

)

What are GREEN, GOLD, and whatever other color items out there and what do they do??

Items are assigned a color based on the level of their inherent stat (the one that you can't modify). White items have no inherent stats, blue items have low-level ones, purple items have midrange ones, and gold have high-end ones. Basically, gold items are the best normal items you can get.

Greens are unique items that drop from certain bosses (and in a few instances just from random stuff) that have all their stats completely maxed. They will usually be assigned a name based on what they drop from (i.e. Tanzit Razorstone might drop the axe Razorstone). Green items cannot be modified, even with dye.

milias · Aug 16, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiarrah

I will probably get berated as a Newbie for asking this. . .(but I AM NEW to GW. . . so there! ppffffttt

)

It's okay, we were all newbies once

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiarrah

What are GREEN, GOLD, and whatever other color items out there and what do they do??

The color of an item indicates its rarity. From least rare to rarest, they are: white, blue, purple, and gold. These are random drops, and hence have random stats on them. Green items are usually dropped by bosses, and have fixed stats, meaning they cannot be further upgraded with mods (they can't be dyed either). Greens usually have "perfect" stats and mods, whereas it's random on golds, purples, blues, and whites. White items will not have any inherent mods on them, while all the other ones do. The more rare a color is, the better the chances are there will be more "perfect" mods on them.

For more information, you may wish to read through this site, or go to guildwiki.net.

Hope this helps.

saphir · Aug 16, 2006, 11:04 PM // 23:04

good post!

i too am tired of hearing about how anyone w/ fow armor must have ebayed it. i saved up and farmed all my ecto for my fow armor, never bought or sold a single one until i obtained my armor. It wasn't a quick process, as back in those days most people would only get one piece at a time as they slowly accumulated the ecto and shards they needed.

really, accumulating gold isn't all that hard. there's just a little secret, just like in real life, don't spend on what you don't really need. generally 99% of the people who i meet who claim they're poor and penniless also add, "well, i just spend 100k on this green" or "i just bought 15k armor"

well, of course you're poor! you just spent your damn gold until you were broke. it's a smart thing to keep at least some $$ in reserve, and sometimes it takes money to make money if you're really into accumulating gold.

when i first started, i didn't spend much, as everything seemed so pricey, so i saved up only for what i really needed (next level armor, choice skills, salvage/id kits). i just went w/ minor runes including minor vigor, thinking i'd save up for superior one day.. you know what i found out? i really didn't need sup vigor as my skills improved. knowing how to stay out of trouble as a caster is something that even an entire boatload of sup runes, +30 hp mods, etc will do for you. simply put, you don't really need that stuff!

you don't need black dye either, at least you don't need to buy it. just wait for one to finally drop.. one day it will.. and save up your gold for the important things, or the items you truly desire.

ironically, now that i'm a have, with over 1.2mil in gold, there's nothing to spend it on. i wasted gold on some nice mini pets i liked, and for a while i collected 250 stacks of sapphires and rubies simply because i liked them =)
who wants to stock ecto, they're so boring to look at!

making gold isn't too hard once you're lvl 20. just do what other people do.. farming greens is easiest, and provides a challenge w/ the right group.

but yeah, we all started once, killing lvl 1 mobs in order to accumulate that first 50g to open up storage. but for newer players who haven't logged the time to accumulate as much gold.. they all seem to want instant gratification, and when they can't have it, and someone else does have it, it's never their own fault.. it's always easier to blame someone else, be it ebay or something else.

Relambrien · Aug 16, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

I hate to disagree with you guys but listen to this...

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I have played GW for 15 months. I play it actively, at least 3 hours a day. I have obtained a TOTAL amount of around 200k. That's all the money I've EVER gotten. Not that I've had at one time, that's the total amount of money I've gotten playing this game.

A while back, I bought some 15k armor for my Warrior. I thought maybe that since I was seeing a lot of threads about how easy it is to make money from normal play, I would make the money back within a month. This was, oh, a month and a half ago. I haven't even made back the 15k one piece cost me. I play normally, collecting drops, selling them, etc. And yet I haven't even made that back yet. I haven't bought a thing.

The best drop I ever got was a Celestial Longbow of Enchanting, req 9 15^50 over the double-your-fun weekend. I can't find a buyer for that ANYWHERE, not here, not in-game, even after hours upon hours of advertising.

So no, it is NOT easy to get money in this game. I can't afford anything; my weapons are drops that I got and modded from other drops. Even so, they're pathetic. Selling items is near impossible, even when you have one that you would think people would want. I can't bring up a new character because I don't have the money to support one.

But, I will never buy gold. I should, based on how easily others here come across their money, but I won't.

Also, I agree that not all people who have FoW armor bought gold. I don't think many did. I congratulate those who got it, but please don't say it was easy, and just tedious. To people like me who have the worst luck in the world with drops and money, it seems like you're bragging. It depresses the crap out of me when I realize that other people have better/better-looking items than me just because they were more lucky, and imply they didn't have to work very hard to get it.
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Thanks for listening to this rant, but before I get flamed for complaining and placing blame, let me tell you I blame nothing except my terrible luck, and as such, what I'm saying is not a complaint. I just needed to say how other people get better things just because they're more lucky, which is something I work every day to change...

Dzan · Aug 17, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

I think you are misunderstanding it.

You do more damage with more mastery, that's obvious.

But you do not do more damage with a req 7 weapon than with a req 13 weapon - THAT's the myth.

I think you are misunderstanding. While you are right, he didn't say what you are saying.

He said "There is no benefit to exceeding your requirment." The clear implication is that if you have a req 8 weapon, "there is no benefit to exceeding" it. That is wrong. I do not believe he understands that you do more damage with more mastery, at least, he does not make it clear that he understands it.

Mournblade · Aug 17, 2006, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relambrien

I have played GW for 15 months. I play it actively, at least 3 hours a day. I have obtained a TOTAL amount of around 200k. That's all the money I've EVER gotten. Not that I've had at one time, that's the total amount of money I've gotten playing this game.

A while back, I bought some 15k armor for my Warrior. I thought maybe that since I was seeing a lot of threads about how easy it is to make money from normal play, I would make the money back within a month. This was, oh, a month and a half ago. I haven't even made back the 15k one piece cost me. I play normally, collecting drops, selling them, etc. And yet I haven't even made that back yet. I haven't bought a thing.

Thanks for listening to this rant, but before I get flamed for complaining and placing blame, let me tell you I blame nothing except my terrible luck, and as such, what I'm saying is not a complaint. I just needed to say how other people get better things just because they're more lucky, which is something I work every day to change...

I'm sorry but there's something wrong. Even with a full party of henchies, if you run around in any high-end area (crystal desert and beyond) for three hours you are going to end up with more than 1k worth of drops. Over 30 days thats more than 30k so what exactly are you doing? If you are standing around chatting, or playing around in ascalon then of course you won't make money. I don't think luck is a factor here.

Swinging Fists · Aug 17, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relambrien

I have played GW for 15 months. I play it actively, at least 3 hours a day.

...

The best drop I ever got was a Celestial Longbow of Enchanting, req 9 15^50 over the double-your-fun weekend. I can't find a buyer for that ANYWHERE, not here, not in-game, even after hours upon hours of advertising.

Maybe you should have reworded the first quoted sentence to be something more like this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by suggested

I installed GW 15 months ago. I waste time in towns trying to sell things actively, at least 3 hours a day.

Quit wasting time advertising things that you apparently don't know the value of and get out there and play !!! You can say you know the value, but obviously if you can't find a buyer anywhere, your price is too high.

Permasiel · Aug 17, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

GW has an economy, it is what it is, but it's there. And like all economies it changes. Farming is all a matter of timing, of just being a few weeks/days/hours in front of everyone else.

The first two weeks Sorrow's Furnace came out, I litterally made millions by farming the greens over and over through FA farming (you never even saw someone saying "lfg FA"), back then most of the greens were 60-150k. Compare that to the 10k you get now, for what amounts to the same effort.

Same for ectos, go farm them now for 6k each, when they used to be 15-18k.

In the first few days of IDS farming, it was ridiculously easy to sell them for 50-60k each, and they dropped quite a bit, particularly if you solo farmed them.

Truth is, if you're well informed (irc/forums), and try yourself every rumor you hear out there, chances are you're gonna end up with a lot of cash.

If you wait till that new farming spot/build thread has 1000 replies, and every district is full of "w/mo lf farming group", chances are you're gonna be stuck at 100k for the rest of your time.

Manic Smile · Aug 17, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

amusing way of putting it Capitalist but don't encourage this for debate...enough with the beating and the hourse.